User talk:Jnc/2003

I'd put it in organ (music) unless you have loads and loads of technical stuff on tracker actions to add - it can always be broken off into its own article if it's expanded to the point of overpowering the rest of the article. I'm glad you're writing about E. Power Biggs by the way - I was only thinking the other day how although we now have a decent number of articles on pianists, we still have very few on organists. --Camembert

By Wikipedia naming conventions, an article should be named by the most widely used name in the English language. "Catherine de' Medici" has about 8,000 hits on Google. "Caterina Di Lorenzo de' Medici" has no hits at all. I think this page (and the other Medicis) should be moved back to their English names. -- JeLuF 21:23, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Why did you place redirects so that Pontormo redirected to Jacopo Pontormo, and Jacopo Pontormo redirected to Pontormo? It seems like bizarre vandalism, but I can't imagine that was the case. Consider me confused. :) Jwrosenzweig 20:08, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC) (P.S., I've stubbed Jacopo Pontormo, but it's not very good)

Okay, I see now what you were doing. Next time, I guess I'd suggest writing the stub before aiming redirects at it. :-) Thanks, Jwrosenzweig 20:11, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Actually, I screwed up slightly; I intended to create the listing under his full name, and had created the redirect from the short name at that point, but then discovered that he was usually called by the short name, so I had to move things around. Noel 20:44, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Great woodblock print articles. -- Tlotoxl 04:51, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thanks! Actually, it's pretty trivial for me - I have accumulated a ton of stuff on my home page over the years on woodblock prints, so it's simply a matter of a little editing and I can throw up these massive pages. Noel 05:09, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Well, it's really cool, in any case. Feel kinda bad for the Japanese Wikipedia, though -- they're lagging pretty far behind :) -- Tlotoxl 05:33, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Hey, is this OK for the addition to Wikipedia:Deletion_policy?

The does not apply to pages which a) have no content (such as Rediects), and b) also have no significant history. (E.g. a Redirect whose entire history is that it used to redirect from "Foo" to "Foobar", and has been changed to redirect to "FooBar", because the target page was moved, does not have any significant history.) A history which shows any content being added or removed is significant history.

Thanks! Noel 16:40, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)~

Yeah, go for it. Makes sense to me, although I wouldn't capitalise "redirects", which btw is spelt wrong. :) Good work. Angela

Yah, I saw the typo after I hit the "save this page" button. A common failing of mine! :-) I will change the caps, and add the text. Thanks! Noel 17:01, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I changed the "This notice policy does not apply to..." wording to "The notice does not need to be added to..." because some people are stating it is not policy, just a suggestion. Whether it is policy or not, I think the new version will less likely upset people. Hope that's ok with you. Angela

Sure, no problem with that reword. I was trying to much the same thing (I had originally used "requirement", and switched it to the softer "policy"). I figured I'd just say "policy" and then people would read it to be whatever the agreed-on policy was as the moment (if any :-), but your version is fine too. Noel 18:03, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I deleted the Akhenaten redirect as you requested. I'm not sure what you're doing with the new page, but you should be aware that the following linked to Akhenaten; User:LeonBambrick, Religious Persecution, Conventional Egyptian chronology, Seti I, Ra, Djhutmose.

Angela 19:01, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thanks! The rename was the subject of discussion among both the Egypt specialists working on the Akhenaten page, and on VP before it happened; see the discussion on Talk:Akhenaten/rename. The links to "Akhenaten" were probably people who wanted to use the right one, but I'm checking them out. Noel 20:03, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I thought it might be. I had skipped reading about that on the Village pump so I wasn't quite sure. By the way, you don't need to reply on both our talk pages, although you can if you want to. Generally, if I expect a reply I will add the other person's talkpage to my watchlist so I can keep an eye out for replies there. But that's just what I do - not what you have to do or anything. Angela 20:17, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Hm -- I forgot to make it PNG with indexed color. You go ahead, if you like. User:Stevertigo

Well if you want to do it yourself, (I already did that image) -- you need to get a copy of Photoshop from somewhere, or use The Gimp (very good- and GNU) -- thats if your on a PC. On a Mac, I dunno. Gimp should have a version that will run on OSX. The basic idea is to change resolutions to exact specs -- the most important thing is size (in pixels, or whatever), then dpi (72 dpi for normal screen res)--and then indexing color --limiting the color pallete for gif or PNG (better) images so that it doesnt have to show the whole spectrum. For JPEGs, quality takes the place of an indexed scheme, but might be less desirable for line art, and generally I like better quality JPEGs (over 5). -戴&#30505sv 21:58, Aug 21, 2003 (UTC)

I have nominated you for adminship. If you wish to accept, you will need to state this on the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship page. Angela 18:09, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the message you left on my talk page. It wasn't so much a case of burn out, I just thought I'd done something stupid by seconding Viajero's nomination when I suspected he might be Lir. Anyway, a couple of people who knew Lir better than I did have suggested it is not the same person, and for various reasons, I'm going to accept that and just hope it works out ok. Good luck with your adminship when you get it. Angela

Poof! You've got sysop rights. Use them well. As your first act, let me suggest that you update Wikipedia:Administrators to reflect your new status. --Uncle Ed 19:27, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi Noel, congrats on the adminship! What are the redirects you are creating for? The Stanford_Artificial_Intelligence_Lab is a broken redirect and I normally delete those when I find them. I'm not sure Prevent duplicate article creation is very useful. It's easy enough to merge the articles if this does occur. Redirects show up in the search, and there has been complaint about this being annoying (see the Atlas Shrugged redirects for an example). Angela 00:17, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, perhaps I was being too hasty as it's no longer a broken redirect. Makes more sense now.

And thanks for nominating me!

No problem & don't see it as a bad sign that it was last thing I did b4 I quit! :) (or supposedly quit).

To prevent what happened with ITS

I'd nearly forgotten about that. That was a bit of a nightmare, and I'm probably just being too fussy about a few redirects when the Atlas Shrugged ones were dozens that took an hour and half to delete! Angela 00:57, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi, I've been adding links to "Culture of XXX" and "Music of XXX" to all the country articles. The "Culture of XXX" article is a standard top-level article for any country, which I may or may not write in the future. I do hope to write Music of Bermuda sometime soon, and I am adding these links to country articles because it is easier to do them all at once than to wait and add the links after writing each article. As far as the capitalization, Wikipedia automatically capitalizes the first letter of every article, so it recognizes no difference between music of Bermuda and Music of Bermuda. I meant to capitalize the "M", though, just to be consistent, so I'll go fix that one -- it won't change the functionality of the link, but it will look better if they are all capitalized. Tuf-Kat 01:56, Sep 17, 2003 (UTC)

No, no. Redirects to subsections don't work. Links are fine! You can have Conventional Egyptian chronology#New Kingdom but look at User_talk:Jnc/redirect to see how a redirect to that would not work. (Do feel free to delete the page once you've seen it). Angela 16:53, Oct 3, 2003 (UTC)

Ok. It was only a temporary redirect whilst it only had one example. I'm not sure if the creation of a disambiguation page for every TLA is really necessary. Is anyone likely to link to LSI when meaning Latent Semantic Indexing for example? Perhaps if such an article existed and that was a common initialism for it then it could be added then. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, just that I'm not sure there's a lot of point. Or is there? I'm not convinced. Angela 23:28, Oct 11, 2003 (UTC)

Well if you think it will avoid extra work it has to be a good thing. My only doubt is that these lists could end up with hundreds of possibilities on them even for things where the initialism is not commonly used. But perhaps I should worry about that when it happens. Angela 00:12, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)

Re Fernando J. Corbató, yeah, the Turing refs are a little repetitive. The first one is correct - it's in the short list of "why this person has an article", and shouldn't go into detail because lead paras need to be both short and understandable by every reader (I visualize people coming from "random page"). The second ref doesn't need to repeat the date, but it's the in-depth place where you get to quote the award committee, mention the award politics of that year if there's any good dirt :-), etc. Only the most fascinated will have gotten that far, so more detail is better then. Stan 20:10, 18 Oct 2003 (UTC)

The Turing Award is the top award that a computer scientist can get, so it's just as significant in CS as a Nobel is in other fields, and if you look you'll see that lead paras for Nobelists always mention the prize. We CSers will recognize Corbató as a Big Name with or without the mention, but the random-page person won't know unless we say something, and instead of the vague "one of the most important" we can say Turing Award, with the link so the random reader can find out more if they're never heard of it.

The assertion that the Turing is somehow unimportant because it goes to the wrong people is also routinely made of the Nobels, and in both cases it's really unfair to the winners. Disparaging it by burying it in the text is kind of a chicken approach - if you really think that so-and-so's work was not significant enough to warrant a Turing, say so explicitly in the person's article - and don't forget the authoritative backup you'll need for that kind of challenge! :-) (I can't think of any winners that I would dare disparage in a public place like Wikipedia, but presumably you have some people in mind.) Stan 20:50, 18 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Looks fine to me! One thing that I couldn't locate easily was a good biblio of his important works, perhaps you have something handy? It would also be nice to have a little more insight into development/thought process, but that would have to come from a primary source, dunno what's been published for that kind of thing. Also, do you have a verifiable source for that "Corby" nickname? :-) :-) Stan 03:23, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Excellent, I wish every article had those kinds of refs! Stan 04:41, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Yeah, there was another architect named Amenhotep-something-something, but Amenhotep the Pharaoh and Imhotep the architect are definitely different. Of course, they may be transliterations of the same name...I'm not sure now. Perhaps I was too bold in deleting that... Adam Bishop 13:27, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

My source was encyclopedia mythica (at pantheon.org, which seems to either not exist any more or be down at the moment). IIRC, this was an example of a real person being mythologized and identified with a deity, but I don't have any authoritative source on the subject. Tuf-Kat 19:13, Oct 28, 2003 (UTC)

About the Medici's: If I'm just adding links to an article that I'm not very familiar with myself, I tend to leave the text itself alone. In this case, I didn't know the correct names for the family members in English. The names with de' look a bit weird to me, and I didn't know if they were correct (in English). Obviously you know more about them than I do, so it's fine that you changed the names. Eugene van der Pijll 19:24, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Can you write an article about swap partition??

Queen Elizabeth II is not Queen of Bermuda and therefore does not belong in the table. Please have a look at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countries/Archive3#listing_of_national_head_of_states_in_dependency_articles as it was also decided then that Hu Jintao would not belong in the Hong Kong and Macau tables.

Menchi thought Karukera's edits were an improvement for the Canada article, but acknowledged my position that we would unable to keep it standard for each country if we went by that specific formatting. In the case of Bermuda, what would we put on the left hand column for the governor? --Jia ng 17:43, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)

After reading the discussion (archive3), I realize that it was not entirely decided. However, precedence states that we do not list the head of state in dependency articles, and logic would agree. --Jia ng 23:32, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)~

I'm not disputing whether Queen Elizabeth II reigns over Bermuda. The question is whether does so in a way that would lead us to insert her in the table. No other British dependency has her listed. If we list it here, then we list it on all the others. Would we also be listing her in the templates of England, Scotland, or even the City of London, for those are a portion of her "realms and territories"? Actually, Bermuda isn't a realm; it's a territory. Somehow this distinction between crown colony, crown dependency, and commonwealth realm needs to be made. Maybe it is best to do so in the politics section. --Jia ng 01:31, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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